Playing Big Slick in Deep Stack Tournaments

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Posted on Oct 18th 2006  -  Subject: Playing Big Slick in Deep Stack Tournaments
This is a tip i found from a top pro!!! pay attention During this year's World Series of Poker, I talked with a number of pros about the problems that so many online qualifiers had playing Big Slick during the early blind levels. It seemed to us that a huge percentage of the field - we estimated as much as 70 percent - was more than willing to go broke with this hand if they hit a pair on the flop. But many pros, myself included, feel that Ace-King is a very difficult hand to play in the early levels of big buy-in tournaments, when the stacks are deep compared to the blinds. The fact of the matter is, top-pair/top-kicker is probably no good if another player is willing to risk all of his chips. This isn't always the case - you may find an extremely weak player willing to go broke on K-Q, but that's the rare exception. The real problem with A-K early on is that it's very difficult to get an idea of where you're at in a hand. Even on an innocuous looking flop of something like K-9-2, you may think your hand is good. But you can't be sure. Say that you raise pre-flop with A-K and a late-position player calls. The two of you see a K-9-2 flop. You bet strong on the flop and then again on the turn. He calls on both streets. What now? Do you bet the river and pray that you're not raised? Or do you check and hope that your opponent does the same? It's a difficult spot and there are no great options. Playing the same hand in position is a little easier, but it's still tough. While the blinds are low in a big buy-in tournament, I'm actually looking to see flops against the players who overplay top-pair/top-kicker. When I'm in position, I'm happy to call a raise with something like a small pocket pair, 5-6 suited, or even 8-T suited. I'm looking to flop a big hand or a big draw. If I flop a set, I have a good chance of wiping out the guy with top pair. If I flop a draw, I have a chance to see if my opponent will give me a good price to hit my hand. The beauty of a suited hand like 5-6 or 8-T is that there's no way I'm going to get in serious trouble playing them. If I flop anything less than two-pair or a quality draw, I'll fold, having lost very little. I think there are two major reasons many players over value Ace-King. First is that in online tournaments, where the stacks start relatively low, Ace-King is usually worth playing aggressively. Players who win online satellites do so by playing Ace-King fast, so they come to big tournaments feeling good about this starting hand. The second reason is that many people have seen TV commentators crow about Big Slick, calling it a "huge hand." At a six-handed final table, Ace-King is a very big hand, but as Howard Lederer pointed out in his tip Viewer Beware, you need to realize that short-handed final-table strategy differs greatly from early tournament play. When you're playing in deep-stack games, learn to play A-K cautiously. The pros don't like to go broke with this hand and you'd do well to follow their example. For more on playing Ace-King, read Rafe Furst's tip Big Slick: A Slippery Hand.
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Posted on Oct 19th 2006
Excellent post, thanks..I personally don't like big slick, just for that exact reason..now if it doesn't hit on the flop that's a no brainer, but I still run into a situation where on ocassion I overplay it..not much anymore, but still once in a while I find my self thinking top pair is good and finding out the hard way it isn't.
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Posted on Oct 19th 2006
That's how I look at Big Slick, I love it in the turbos and single tables. I'll play in the mtt's but only in good possition or in the blinds. I had AK suited this morning in a turbo and got called in a all-in by a guy who had 4,3 Spades. Flop hit 4,4,3! What can you do? Some people will call with anything
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Posted on Oct 19th 2006
That's how I look at Big Slick, I love it in the turbos and single tables. I'll play in the mtt's but only in good possition or in the blinds. I had AK suited this morning in a turbo and got called in a all-in by a guy who had 4,3 Spades. Flop hit 4,4,3! What can you do? Some people will call with anything (sorry, i hit the button twice! )
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Posted on Oct 20th 2006
Very good post , thanks
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Posted on Oct 20th 2006
This gives an new insite on playing A/K, big slick is one of the worst hand I have found in poker. Somtimes I think 7/2 os is a better hand. I have noticed alot of people will play hands like K/9 or K/2 in almost any position, they usually do pretty decent in the tourneys or on the tables. I am starting to revaluate my cards and am taking a short break from poker after loosing my bank roll while playing good cards to nuts that will play anything and hit. Goodluck at the tables all and will come back to poker soon.
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Posted on Oct 22nd 2006  -  Subject: consider your chip stack
I think the most important thing to think about when playing AK is not how much u can win but how much you can lose. Consider your chip stack, see what other players do, are you prepared to play this hand all the way. If the answer is yes then u know what to do!! ALLIN...
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Posted on Oct 22nd 2006  -  Subject: AK issues
Yep, AK is a trick hand to play. Is till like it a lot, particularly if it's suited. However, as everyone is talking about, it can be very dangerous to play and what makes it so difficult is that it seems like a bigger hand then it sometimes is, forcing you (or me) to make a big laydown occaisionally. Still, I do like the hand.
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Posted on Oct 22nd 2006
i can lay down top pair top kicker on the flop/4th or 5th street in the early stages of a tournament if i read strength in my opponent, such as calling big bets on the flop and 4th street with no draw on the board but i still have a very tough time laying it down preflop. i never played a true deep stack tournament a 200 freezeout at my local casino was biggest and i plan to play it again soon, would you suggest folding AK to a preflop allin early stages?
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Posted on Oct 24th 2006
Awsome find bro great post
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Posted on Oct 24th 2006  -  Subject: a-k anna kournakova
looks good but doesn't win much
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Posted on Oct 26th 2006
I refer to it as the Anna Kournikova because for me it looks great but hardly ever wins.
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Posted on Oct 27th 2006
Largestack ahahahaahahahaha beautiful!!! thx
U called me with that hand???!!???!
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Posted on Nov 19th 2006
Where is Rafe Furst's tip Big Slick: A Slippery Hand?
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Posted on Nov 22nd 2006
personally i LOVE big slick, but you have to know how to play it: you'll want to have a decent raise with it. you're looking to play it against TT or something, that's ideal. then, if an A or K flops you can gain a lot, and if it doesn't you can check or get out relatively cheap, you only paid your initial raise after all. there is about a 33% chance of getting A or K on the flop so you can calculate yourself how profitable this can be. you only need to make a little profit when it does hit to break even. watch out for straight and flush draws of course. but you'll have chased some of them out with your raise hopefully. still be very cautious if 3 diamonds do show up...
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